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Originally posted by Kingkeano16 Kingkeano16 wrote:

Originally posted by MayoMark MayoMark wrote:

Originally posted by Kingkeano16 Kingkeano16 wrote:

Originally posted by MayoMark MayoMark wrote:

7 of my players have been a part of this for 4 or 5 years now, and when I started to do basic ball mastery skills with them that 6 and 7 year olds can do comfortably, they were struggling big time...

Very unusual, but I suppose that the standard of coaches isn't the same all around the country.. Also, I think Donegal may have hit a purple patch in the '95 '96 sections, which could be masking the situation. I know the coach of these lads is very very good and I know one player personally who has gained a lot out of being part of this.

That's not to say he hasn't worked his ass off on his own too.. 

I understand from your previous comments, you are a coach and can see things that maybe we don't but that's just my view from looking on at the emerging Talent in Donegal.
Not unusual at all. I saw first hand last year the winning Kennedy Cup squad from the NDSL get a technical session from a Pro Coach. He had to change the session becuase they could do absolutely none of the ball mastery he was doing.

The lads who came back to our club from the emerging talent were way ahead of the others in terms of ball control.. But you seem to be forgetting that the sole responsibility of that kennedy cup team is not just the emerging talents, it's the individual clubs and that is where most kids develop their skills and that is where the problem lies. 
I've not seen that personally. I'm not blaming the ET Coaches, they have limited contact hours. I'm criticising the lack of a technical programme here.
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Mayo Mark, 

I agree that we need to have a uniform programme, whereby kids aged 6 will receive the same type of coaching across the country. Same small sided games and focus on simple skills. 

There should be a uniform approach from then right through to u-18. Scrap the competitive u-12 stage and implement a version of the 'Go Games' that the GAA have brought in.

Every kid should have a football at training and not one between seven or eight. Go to most u-8 and u-10 trainings and it's like a circus. Not all the coaches fault, not enough emphasis on educating coaches, and as MM said, perhaps the FAI need educating too..

Still too much emphasis on size and strength.. Emerging Talent programmes to start at u-13 and a detailed record of improvement/achievement to be recorded throughout the year.
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Originally posted by Kingkeano16 Kingkeano16 wrote:

Mayo Mark, 

I agree that we need to have a uniform programme, whereby kids aged 6 will receive the same type of coaching across the country. Same small sided games and focus on simple skills.  Agreed

There should be a uniform approach from then right through to u-18. Scrap the competitive u-12 stage and implement a version of the 'Go Games' that the GAA have brought in. Agreed

Every kid should have a football at training and not one between seven or eight. Go to most u-8 and u-10 trainings and it's like a circus. Not all the coaches fault, not enough emphasis on educating coaches, and as MM said, perhaps the FAI need educating too.. Agreed

Still too much emphasis on size and strength.. Agreed
 
Emerging Talent programmes to start at u-13 and a detailed record of improvement/achievement to be recorded throughout the year.
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very interesting ionterview with a fella called antonio moreno on newstalk off the ball last night , you can listen to it on the podcast, it pretty much rubbishes what delaney said on the paper on sunday
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Emerging talent starts at 11 in Wexford and I'd say it's the same in other leagues. All clubs are given the chance to send players to the trials. Training can be once or twice a week.
 
The regional emerging talent squads starts after the Kennedy Cup so players would be 13 or 14.
 
There is no great source of qualified coaches in Wexford so its basically up to those who have an interested in doing some courses. The players are limited by the coaches they have. 
 
The Wexford Kennedy cup team this year had a great group of coaches who have brought the lads through from 11. They got to the final and lost out to DDSL who got a late goal. It goes to show you what can be done. Wexford's previous best position was 8th! 
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Saw that Wexford Kennedy Cup team play a friendly against Tipp.

Arent all but one of the coaches Dubs?
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Originally posted by Gino Ginelli Gino Ginelli wrote:

Emerging talent starts at 11 in Wexford and I'd say it's the same in other leagues. All clubs are given the chance to send players to the trials. Training can be once or twice a week.
 
The regional emerging talent squads starts after the Kennedy Cup so players would be 13 or 14.
 
There is no great source of qualified coaches in Wexford so its basically up to those who have an interested in doing some courses. The players are limited by the coaches they have. 
 
The Wexford Kennedy cup team this year had a great group of coaches who have brought the lads through from 11. They got to the final and lost out to DDSL who got a late goal. It goes to show you what can be done. Wexford's previous best position was 8th! 
 
 
this lad moreno said the formative years are 6-13 , so its already too late to start at 11
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Originally posted by JuanNil JuanNil wrote:

Saw that Wexford Kennedy Cup team play a friendly against Tipp.

Arent all but one of the coaches Dubs?
No. There might have been 1 or 2 dubs with them alright but they had about 6 coaches altogether. Most from Wexford.
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Originally posted by RogerMilla RogerMilla wrote:

Originally posted by Gino Ginelli Gino Ginelli wrote:

Emerging talent starts at 11 in Wexford and I'd say it's the same in other leagues. All clubs are given the chance to send players to the trials. Training can be once or twice a week.
 
The regional emerging talent squads starts after the Kennedy Cup so players would be 13 or 14.
 
There is no great source of qualified coaches in Wexford so its basically up to those who have an interested in doing some courses. The players are limited by the coaches they have. 
 
The Wexford Kennedy cup team this year had a great group of coaches who have brought the lads through from 11. They got to the final and lost out to DDSL who got a late goal. It goes to show you what can be done. Wexford's previous best position was 8th! 
 
 
this lad moreno said the formative years are 6-13 , so its already too late to start at 11
 
I can name 10 technically brilliant, and I mean brilliant, kids we have with Coerver all over the west. The FAI don't even know they exist.
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Originally posted by MayoMark MayoMark wrote:

Originally posted by RogerMilla RogerMilla wrote:

Originally posted by Gino Ginelli Gino Ginelli wrote:

Emerging talent starts at 11 in Wexford and I'd say it's the same in other leagues. All clubs are given the chance to send players to the trials. Training can be once or twice a week.
 
The regional emerging talent squads starts after the Kennedy Cup so players would be 13 or 14.
 
There is no great source of qualified coaches in Wexford so its basically up to those who have an interested in doing some courses. The players are limited by the coaches they have. 
 
The Wexford Kennedy cup team this year had a great group of coaches who have brought the lads through from 11. They got to the final and lost out to DDSL who got a late goal. It goes to show you what can be done. Wexford's previous best position was 8th! 
 
 
this lad moreno said the formative years are 6-13 , so its already too late to start at 11
 
I can name 10 technically brilliant, and I mean brilliant, kids we have with Coerver all over the west. The FAI don't even know they exist.


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Originally posted by MayoMark MayoMark wrote:

Originally posted by RogerMilla RogerMilla wrote:

Originally posted by Gino Ginelli Gino Ginelli wrote:

Emerging talent starts at 11 in Wexford and I'd say it's the same in other leagues. All clubs are given the chance to send players to the trials. Training can be once or twice a week.
 
The regional emerging talent squads starts after the Kennedy Cup so players would be 13 or 14.
 
There is no great source of qualified coaches in Wexford so its basically up to those who have an interested in doing some courses. The players are limited by the coaches they have. 
 
The Wexford Kennedy cup team this year had a great group of coaches who have brought the lads through from 11. They got to the final and lost out to DDSL who got a late goal. It goes to show you what can be done. Wexford's previous best position was 8th! 
 
 
this lad moreno said the formative years are 6-13 , so its already too late to start at 11
 
I can name 10 technically brilliant, and I mean brilliant, kids we have with Coerver all over the west. The FAI don't even know they exist.

Have these kids been sent to trials for the ETP? If not, I imagine the FAI do not know anything about them because they have never seen them play, not exactly their fault. Have you (or their coaches) informed anyone from the FAI how good these kids are?
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The Cavan Monaghan Emerging Talent is excellently run and a prime example how things should be done. I know its not about winning but developing players but, our U112s last year won the Foyle Cup in Derry. Compared to some of our opponents our pool to select from was tiny so the coaching must have been the key. Our U-14 Kennedy Cup team came 9th winning the bowl in Limerick and considering my last point is a remarkable achievement considering some dublin clubs have a bigger pool than our entire league. They train once a week, on the Excellent Monaghan United Astro facility at Gortakeegan which is the Regional Dev Centre for Cavan/Monaghan
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Originally posted by CillDara CillDara wrote:

Originally posted by MayoMark MayoMark wrote:

Originally posted by RogerMilla RogerMilla wrote:

Originally posted by Gino Ginelli Gino Ginelli wrote:

Emerging talent starts at 11 in Wexford and I'd say it's the same in other leagues. All clubs are given the chance to send players to the trials. Training can be once or twice a week.
 
The regional emerging talent squads starts after the Kennedy Cup so players would be 13 or 14.
 
There is no great source of qualified coaches in Wexford so its basically up to those who have an interested in doing some courses. The players are limited by the coaches they have. 
 
The Wexford Kennedy cup team this year had a great group of coaches who have brought the lads through from 11. They got to the final and lost out to DDSL who got a late goal. It goes to show you what can be done. Wexford's previous best position was 8th! 
 
 
this lad moreno said the formative years are 6-13 , so its already too late to start at 11
 
I can name 10 technically brilliant, and I mean brilliant, kids we have with Coerver all over the west. The FAI don't even know they exist.

Have these kids been sent to trials for the ETP? If not, I imagine the FAI do not know anything about them because they have never seen them play, not exactly their fault. Have you (or their coaches) informed anyone from the FAI how good these kids are?
 
Nope. Too young for emerging talent, which is the problem. Starts too late. Not the coaches' fault, FAI's
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Just wondering lads how successful is this emerging talent programme nowadays!!
I remember when i was playing our Kennedy cup team has Andy Reid, Graham Barrett, Keith Foy, were some names' i remember wes hoolahan couldn't get in the team at that time. Andy went on to get many Irish caps Graham got a couple of goals for Ireland and Keith had a successful 2 season with decent forest team, but since then i don't remember many player coming through the Irish ranks.
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They're discussing this on OTB on newstalk after 9pm tonight
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Originally posted by RogerMilla RogerMilla wrote:

anyone on here been involved in it ? anyones kid's get picked?


i played for the sdfl team for a year...only goes up until U-14s
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Originally posted by MayoMark MayoMark wrote:

Originally posted by CillDara CillDara wrote:

Originally posted by MayoMark MayoMark wrote:

Originally posted by RogerMilla RogerMilla wrote:

Originally posted by Gino Ginelli Gino Ginelli wrote:

Emerging talent starts at 11 in Wexford and I'd say it's the same in other leagues. All clubs are given the chance to send players to the trials. Training can be once or twice a week.
 
The regional emerging talent squads starts after the Kennedy Cup so players would be 13 or 14.
 
There is no great source of qualified coaches in Wexford so its basically up to those who have an interested in doing some courses. The players are limited by the coaches they have. 
 
The Wexford Kennedy cup team this year had a great group of coaches who have brought the lads through from 11. They got to the final and lost out to DDSL who got a late goal. It goes to show you what can be done. Wexford's previous best position was 8th! 
 
 
this lad moreno said the formative years are 6-13 , so its already too late to start at 11
 
I can name 10 technically brilliant, and I mean brilliant, kids we have with Coerver all over the west. The FAI don't even know they exist.

Have these kids been sent to trials for the ETP? If not, I imagine the FAI do not know anything about them because they have never seen them play, not exactly their fault. Have you (or their coaches) informed anyone from the FAI how good these kids are?
 
Nope. Too young for emerging talent, which is the problem. Starts too late. Not the coaches' fault, FAI's
When i was doing the youth-cert recently, The FAI coaches said they want to take over clubs the way Spain do and coach the way Spain do, but cant because of the committees on the ddsl, ndfl, sdfl and the rest of committees in Ireland wont let them,
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